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Frank Herbert was trying to say something and do something as an artist, but it's hard not to feel sometimes like the McDune books are lowest common denominator cash grabs. Even the epigraphs are shallow and always directly relevant to the chapter at hand rather than Frank's use of them as world building or philosophical asides. It might sound so far like I hated this book, but that's not true. If you can overlook the weaknesses, there's stuff to like. As much as I bemoan the authors' skills and economic incentive, it is obvious they have a lot of love for the universe and that it takes a lot of work to keep everything roughly consistent with Frank Herbert's basic ideas even if they fumble in their execution.
I enjoyed reading about how each school formed, the political intrigue and space battles were usually pretty exciting, and I actually really liked the way it wrapped up the political story in the founding of the Guild.
I might go on from here to read Hunters of Dune , having recently re-read the original series. The Dune universe is strange in that I love it, but I wouldn't want to live there, what with all the monarchic power structures, mass death, and extreme seriousness all the time all of this is somewhat challenged in the last couple Dune books, especially Chapterhouse, which is why I love it. I wouldn't want to live there, but I love visiting the Dune universe.
And for all their many faults, the McDune books allow me to visit that universe again. Like McDonald's itself, they're not that great, but sometimes they hit the spot. View 1 comment.
It's hard to say what I think about this book. It's clearly better than the previous 2 of this Trilogy. It is also way worse than the ones in the original saga or even the ones from the Butlerian Jihad. That being said, I enjoyed it a lot and never felt bored by reading, although I knew everything that would happen before it did. I disliked the way some things where handled. Erasmus mostly. And the origin of the Sisterhood on the other hand. Brian is good with his own characters and sroty arcs, b It's hard to say what I think about this book.
Brian is good with his own characters and sroty arcs, but he sucks when those collide with his father's work, and here it shows, as with the original Dune prequels. This marks an end of an Era for my, so I'm happy about having finished it. More of the same fun pulp fiction full of psychotic characters. Makes me wonder about the authors if they think everyone influential must be psychotic. Oct 13, Lois rated it liked it Shelves: books-i-own-digital-copy , audio-book , sci-fi , space-opera , books-i-read-in I liked this one because of the feud between the Atreides and Harkonnens focus.
I can easily see future novels written by these authors following the adventures and squabbles of Valya, Tula and Danvis Harkonnen and Willem Atreides who will clearly earn favor with the Emporer and marry a princess. This book is a great conclusion to the series it ties up loose ends but in some regards is anticlimactic. I have enjoyed all the books in the Dune series This was something I started in high school in the late 70's by reading the original Dune by Frank Herbert. I was glad when the prequels were written, and finally, Navigators of Dune, the 19th book in the series. I gave it four stars because I enjoyed it a little less than the others, maybe I'm sorry this will most likely be the last one in the This book is a great conclusion to the series it ties up loose ends but in some regards is anticlimactic.
I gave it four stars because I enjoyed it a little less than the others, maybe I'm sorry this will most likely be the last one in the series. I would recommend that if you are new to Dune read them in chronological order to get the most out of the series. Start with Dune: The Butlerian Jihad Sep 27, Benjamin Martin rated it it was ok. I've never read a book with more repetition.
Every motive was given, told, and reiterated to the point that it significantly detracted from an otherwise fine storyline. I'm usually a fan of the series and authors but for whatever reason they just spent so much more time rehashing than spinning a new tale. Oct 06, Beth rated it it was amazing. I love the Navigators! Sep 27, Michael Hoelke rated it liked it. Solid wrap up to this trilogy.
Oct 03, M. Brian and Kevin, can we stop this crap already? No matter how many of these McDune books are written, they ultimately add nothing to the Duneverse that Frank Herbert lovingly created. Not great, but acceptable to some SF readers. As something that is meant to add to the Duneverse though, this book is just unnecessary garbage, and like all the other McDune books, th Brian and Kevin, can we stop this crap already?
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As something that is meant to add to the Duneverse though, this book is just unnecessary garbage, and like all the other McDune books, this one is awkward and plodding, not to mention the retcons. Definitely avoid if you're a Dune fan, stuck with Frank Herbert's 6 novels and the Dune Encyclopedia.
I, for one, am glad they are keeping the series alive. Along with Isaac Asimov, Frank Herbert was one of my great escapes as a youth. I appreciate these series continuations. This particular novel is a staple to the "Schools of Dune" series they have been releasing.
If you enjoy the extended series You'll love this book! I'm a die-hard "Dune" fan, so my opinion may be bias. Ive been waiting so long for this book to come out in Poland: Finally it arrived and i Loved it. Iam a sucker for the Dune universe. We got more indepth insights into some of the characters including Vorian Atreides and the whole Harkonnen-Atreides family feud. Good action an some unexpected turns of events kept me reading on. There are some characters that are still alive that need to die Jun 22, Suz rated it it was ok Shelves: trilogy-sigh , audiobook , life-is-too-short , other-planets-whee.
I'm pretty sure anything I would have to say about this book is similar to my Review of Sisterhood of Dune because these books all kind of blur together for me. And a bunch of people died. Jul 28, Terry rated it it was ok. Argh, easily the worst of the books so far. It's dry, soul-less, and unimaginative. The "characters" if you can call them that are life-less puppets to the authors whims. Being shoehorned into events in bad attempts to further wider plots. And at every turn the authors seem intent on reminding us continuously of hard to forget plot stupidities from previous books, as if anyone would read this book without wasting their time with the previous 5?
Or worse still be so overcome with amnesia they'v Argh, easily the worst of the books so far. Or worse still be so overcome with amnesia they've forgotten events from barely pages back. If memory serves there's worse to come in the constant plot reminders in the Prelude- series. It's always as if nobody proof-reads there work. Authors plot notes are left on the page. There's no attempt at editing. As ever condense it by or so pages and it could be a worthwhile novel.
Although this time they really do feel as if they've run out of steam and lost interest in the characters themselves. The last 50 or so pages is a race to the finished. A forced conclusion. The narrative becomes more and more "tell not show", always a bad sign. And then the ending The whole stupidity of the Abdule Hardkonnen plot line. In these three books the authors lurch from one stupid idea to escalate to the next. The ending, when we finally get there, is just another really bad and stupid attempt at setting this up.
It feels in trying to force this now that the authors have no idea how long 10, years the length between the end of this book and the start of the next actually is.
And all that without getting me started on the horrendousness that is Valya Harkonnen and her place in the Sisterhood. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Put simply: succinct syntax and perfectly amiable prose laying the groundwork for an existing world almost unrivaled in its ambition. A logical and entertaining convergence of events that ultimately bring the great schools into being.
Those who cling to original works and abscond everything else seem to hold blindly to outdated modes of composition. Yes, Frank Herbert created an original great work … but viewing the latter books in his series particularly Heretics and Chapter House , as books without significant flaws is like viewing them through a dirty pane of glass or rose-tinted glasses.
The universe of Dune was one that deserved to be mined pun intended and explored. For the most part, both Brian and Kevin have done more than an adequate job realizing this gargantuan task. Nov 27, Patrick Hayes rated it really liked it. A good read for Dune fans, but not a satisfactory stand alone book. FYI, I was sent a copy of this book to review for a website. Josef Venport is the main character of this final installment of the Great Schools of Dune Trilogy, and he's trying to keep his power, as a businessman, alive while being attacked by the forces of the Emperior whose brother he killed and the "Butlerian" zealots who hate technology lead by Manford Torondo.
My biggest problem was a lack of focus on the Navigators unti A good read for Dune fans, but not a satisfactory stand alone book. My biggest problem was a lack of focus on the Navigators until the last quarter of the novel; the title is very misleading. If I'd known they meant "All at Once!
The result was both effective and grotesque, As to what the benefits are to the individual navigator , there's a brief description of their existence, which seems to suggest that their lives were pretty good. Valorum Valorum k gold badges silver badges bronze badges.
Impressive answer. I'll give others some time, but this covers my answer better than I could hope for, thanks. You might want to emphasize a bit more that not being a navigator isn't a viable choice for the respective individuals. ChrisKent - Indeed, and with every passing edition it seemed to become less so.
The original was described as "canon", then the foreword for the second edition by Herbert himself described as "Some of the contributions are sure to arouse controversy, based as they are on questionable sources As the first "Dune fan," I give this encyclopedia my delighted approval, although I hold my own counsel on some of the issues still to be explored as the Chronicles unfold.
The Herbert Estate presumably at the urging of Herbert's talentless son have since rendered it post-facto non-canon. Ghanima Ghanima 1, 13 13 silver badges 29 29 bronze badges. You have a good point there. I don't remember, offhand, any indication that a bright boy could ace an entrance exam and get a full scholarship to some sort of "Spacing Guild Academy" as a form of social mobility if that was his heart's desire.
But what if I'm crap at my job or just don't make the cut? Valorum, well you can always file a complaint with my brother. Joshua Joshua 1 1 silver badge 8 8 bronze badges. Can you give further reference maybe quote a paragraph to show this? I don't recall it, but it has been a few years. Why should "navigators on the surface of Arrakis furthering their own political goals" be an inconsistency with "navigators being bred by the Guild and having no control over existing as navigators"?
AlexanderKosubek: The physical descriptions don't match. I don't have a copy right now so I couldn't quote it exactly. Something to do with a contact slipping revealing the spice-tinted eye behind it. They still look quite human except that they need to wear contact lenses to hide the fact that the whites of their eyes are completely blue due to their Spice addiction. One of them looses a contact. This is explicitly mentioned in the book. Joshua That is true, but that is the only place that they are described as resembling humans.
In Dune Messiah the navigator Edric is very mutated from a humanoid form. Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse: Dune both make note of the navigators mutations too. Dune also has Duke Leto stating that not even the navigators guild own agents see the navigators themselves, which would lead me to believe that the two with Shaddam are agents of the guild and not actual navigators. The infamous prequel I believe it was the "House Atreides" provides a slightly different answer: In the book two twin brothers normal humans from a middle class family are trying to join the Guild and become the navigators.
Being navigator is awesome. Yasskier Yasskier Sign up or log in Sign up using Google. I've only read the first book but I've always interpreted them as human anyway; a possibility I must admit is that I tend to mix them up with King-Emperor Huon from Moorcock's Runestaff books! I found Lynch's depiction of the guild quite compelling. The "translation" device really highlighted how they were well on the way to post-human. The depiction in the Children of Dune miniseries seems to closely match the description from the books.
RobertF - I would guess that it's Scytale detecting a very slight amount with a very strong smell. Melange has a very well known, characteristic smell, and given that this was a VERY sensitive meeting among people who really didn't trust each other it was probably in a very odor-clean environment. In the first book Dune , the only description we have is of two of their agents , who're described as "men" with no indication of non-humanoid features: He and his companion pushed through to the barrier lances, which were raised at a nod from Paul.
Valorum Valorum k gold badges silver badges bronze badges. While you are providing all the relevant quotes, I would like to add to this that it never seemed to me that Herbert actually wanted to distinguish between steersmen and navigators, and if he did it was just cheap and ineffective retconning that caused more confusion than it solved. In the first novel we only see their agents. But then why would the agents have all-black eyes, which is linked to a heavy spice consumption IIRC and usually concealed by them by wearing glasses, contact lenses or similar?
Also, if I recall correctly, the proposed distinction in terminology is not made in the later novels. If you take the later novels into consideration, the "agents" are still very heavily spice-addicted but haven't undergone the same spontaneous mutation that the steersmen go through.
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The difference in agents and navigators, I guess, is what has confused me. Their appearance in the first novel is what I assumed to be the navigators. Thank you for pointing that out. The other answers covered the original Frank Herbert books. Origin The very first Navigator was Norma Cenva, and the details are covered in The Battle of Corrin : Her direct physical senses were deadened, and Norma no longer cared about taste, touch, or smell Her head was immense, while the rest of her body atrophied to a useless appendage Dune times More contemporary storyline close to Paul Atreides' time was the story of how D'murr Pilru became a Navigator he was a human from Ix in Prelude to Dune trilogy.
For what it's worth, that illustration looks almost identical to the depiction in David Lynch's Dune film: youtu. Entertainingly, those black suits worn by the Guild memebers? Body bags.. Not only that, USED body bags.. K-H-W "Ah-h-h! Either way, the film is essentially a separate story which shares some plot points; it's irreconcilable with the written canon.